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Saturday, 3 September 2005
No Justice, No Peace
Via the Power Line comes this damning essay from Nicole Gelinas at City Journal. She ends thusly:

Was this week’s looting preventable? Failure to put violent criminals behind bars in peacetime has led to chaos in disaster. New Orleans’ officials had only the remotest prayer on Monday of coordinating police officers with no electronic equipment to rescue survivors while at the same time stopping looting before it descended into wholesale terror. Now, those uncoordinated police officers are themselves victims—according to multiple accounts, dead officers, their bodies marked with gunshot wounds, litter the city.

Armed marauders have now taken over every dry area of a deluged city. They’ve hampered rescue efforts: without wanton looting, there was at least a chance that individual police officers could have distributed food in stores to those who needed it most. And they’ve likely hampered rebuilding efforts down the road: they’ve smashed much of intact Uptown and the French Quarter, which will surely a pyschological barrier for those who knew that the storm didn’t destroy their homes and their livelihoods—fellow citizens did.

Mayor Ray Nagin and Governor Kathleen Blanco lost whatever fragile authority they ever had over New Orleans early Monday, as the waters still rose. The federal government was unacceptably slow at assessing a rapidly deteriorating situation. Now, no civil authorities can re-assert order in New Orleans. The city must be forcefully demilitarized, even as innocent victims literally starve. What has happened over the past week is an embarrassment to New Orleans—and to America.
When I made my typically oppressive and caucasoidal "law and order" arguments among my Leftist pals yesterday, to a person, they misunderstood my point: I don't care that someone steals a TV ---so long as such stupidity is punished by Darwinian death.

As I have said many times before, those who do not accept the moral imperative of capital punishment are themselves complicit in the murders, rapes, and robberies that plague our society. There has to be something wrong with you to oppose justice for the irredeemable. Who are you trying to impress with your equanimity and infinite tolerance?

Exterminating this class of sociopaths who prey on us is a great benefit to the vast majority of law-abiding and decent Americans. Why isn't it done? Because of the political pressure applied by liberal wankers who do not accept certain moral imperatives.

There's no question who needs a good killing, except in the minds of the liberal media elites who cluck and moan about American barbarity while a great American city suffers unimaginably ---even at this very hour.


Posted by Toby Petzold at 1:30 AM CDT | Post Comment | View Comments (10) | Permalink

Sunday, 4 September 2005 - 9:58 PM CDT

Name: Rider

Would you agree with me that gas gouging is just another form of looting, taking advantage of the situation to take what is not rightfully yours because you can do it with impunity? How about shooting gas gougers on site?

Sunday, 4 September 2005 - 11:41 PM CDT

Name: b

No, gas gouging does not equate to looting. Looting involves the theft of property without the permission of the owner (you know - stealing - as in, "thou shalt not..."), whereas gas gouging is the ugly side of a market economy, wherein the gouger takes the customer's money with his permission in exchange for a commodity - a purchase (you know - the supply and demand thing). But aside from that, I do find looters and gougers equally reprehensible, and for once, I think that you actually have a good idea - shoot them.

Monday, 5 September 2005 - 7:17 AM CDT

Name: Rider

Just bidness, eh? So, where does bidness end and gouging begin? Shoot the dead on sight? (You know - as in "thou shalt not...").

Monday, 5 September 2005 - 8:59 AM CDT

Name: b

My reference to "Thou shalt not" was merely to help you understand the concept of theft, and not a moral or religious statement, so your counter-banter in using it to address killing bad guys is dim at best.

Your equation of looting to gouging is faulty (but cute). Yes, gougers are terrible, but their victims are willing (if grudgingly) partners in the transaction. Surely you took economics at some point.

Looters and gougers are both bad, just as burglars and rapists are both bad, but simply applying your similarity statement ("taking advantage of the situation to take what is not rightfully yours because you can do it with impunity") does not equate the two.

Where does bidness end and gouging begin? dunno. That's probably fairly subjective, but perhaps a rule of thumb could be the point at which the seller increases the percentage of profit in the selling price over the norm before the catastrophe (merely raising the price would not necessarily be gouging if the sellers cost increased as well). Percent markup/profit should be frozen in such circumstances. Then it could easily be determined who needs a good shooting.

Monday, 5 September 2005 - 9:30 AM CDT

Name: Rider

No, you are the one who equated the two...with regard to punishment. I am merely the cute but dim person who suggested they were morally equivalent and asked if gougers should also be shot to death, another of the Ten Commandments coming into play there. You said, yes.

So, continuing with the parallel, do we authorize Guardsmen to decide to shoot looters, but not if they are stealing diapers or baby formula or a loaf of bread or a jug of water, when the authorities have failed to provide relief? Shoot, or hold fire?

What if they are stupidly stealing TV's from a store which is totally flooded like a giant commode, the inventory a total insurance loss, and the store itself out of bidness and the building weeks from being bulldozed? Shoot, or hold fire?

What if they are policemen taking batteries, flashlights, waders, radios, ammunition, etc. from a Wal-Mart flooded like a giant commode, the inventory a total insurance loss? Shoot, or hold fire?


Monday, 5 September 2005 - 2:37 PM CDT

Name: TP

Rider:

How about shooting gas gougers on site?

In the present situation, gas gougers are not so obviously criminal as looters because of scarcity, capacity, and disruptions in the petroleum chain. There is still a clear exchange of money and goods, albeit possibly unfairly.

Looters, however, are actively taking things without any exchange of money for goods. It's pure theft. But, more than that, these stupid fucks are stealing things that they cannot possibly use for their own survival. Those who are taking bread, fine. I've got no problem there. Those who are taking DVDs? You need to be seen to be killed by the authorities so that the others doing the same can stand a chance at having their sense of self-prservation recalibrated.

Monday, 5 September 2005 - 2:42 PM CDT

Name: TP

You obviously wouldn't condone a cop or Guardsman shooting a food-looter. Not in these circumstances. Never.

But you do have to step outside of your Marxist conditioning and recognize that society expects that the authorities might have to act outside the law in order to secure the safety of the majority of the people, who are presumably innocent.

It's a value judgement. You have to believe that a cop breaking the law under these exceptional conditions is more likely to be acting on a moral impulse than some lousy thief who shoots at the people trying to rescue his community.

Monday, 5 September 2005 - 9:51 PM CDT

Name: b

Keep in mind, too, that cops taking batteries for flashlights, or commandeering a vehicle, or siphoning gas in a declared emergency is NOT breaking the law, as there are specific allowances for this action written in the law.

Monday, 5 September 2005 - 9:55 PM CDT

Name: b

Classic!!! Your response begins "No, you". I read that line just as I heard two five year-olds outside arguing with each other (about who-knows-what), shouting those exact words. "No, You!"..."No, You!". Classic. And again, a little cute. hee-hee

Monday, 5 September 2005 - 10:26 PM CDT

Name: TP

Good point. I should've put that phrase in quotation marks.

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