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Saturday, 15 November 2003
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Let's get absolutely clear about something that really matters. What should be the ideal state for man? One in which freedom and autonomy are valued above all else? I think so. That is a better state than subjection to the Government or subjection to an oppressive culture. There's lots of alternatives, of course: you could live in communist China or Cuba or Viet Nam. Or even North Korea. Individuality in such societies is suspect to the authorities. That is, the very thing you are ---an individual--- is subsumed into the greater whole around you. But that's not a patriotic feeling I would wish to have. Coming to Kim Jong-Il on your knees? Nah. Fuck that. Nobody who prizes the dignity and the integrity of the individual can approve of what he is and what he does. He has brutalized his people in ways we Westerners can only imagine. So can we agree that there are leaders in this world who do harm to their own people and their own cultures because they themselves are fucked up? Sure we can.

Now, a cynic (and a very hypocritical one at that) might, at this point, make the terribly witty observation that our own President is a leader who is harming his own people and culture because he is waging a war with which they cannot agree. The anti-war Left sees George W. Bush as an enemy to be destroyed. Why? Because they hate him for defeating their candidate in 2000. They think he did it fraudulently, even though you can show them all sorts of evidence to the contrary. They are wrapped in an obsessive caccoon of hatred for the President because they think he is a dumbass and a thief and a warmonger. But what is he doing that is so intolerable to THEM? Getting our soldiers killed? Well, that's unfair. The leaders of great countries have ALWAYS sent young men to fight and die abroad to effect some great change in the way of the world. That is what is happening now. Bush is trying to reconfigure the Middle East and it is a huge undertaking. It is a bold and brave undertaking ---and he gets no credit for the breadth of his design, which escapes most people who are caught up in their own little intellectually-stunted world of masturbatory illogic and incompetent vision.

Our President and his people are trying to do what we have a genius for doing: we spread our own belief in democratic humanity and the blessings of liberty all over the world. We impose it at the point of a gun or at the tip of a rocket or in the sublimity of a mushroom cloud, but we will always impose it. Why? 'Cause that's our job. We force people the world over to recognize their own dignity and their own potential to live freely and to trade freely and to succeed by dint of their own labors. We liberate the world. That's what we do. And whether they admit it or not, they know they ought to love us for it. We burned the imperial impulse clear out of the Japanese soul. We humbled and reconstituted the German nation in recompense for the stupidity of their racist idealism. Yep, we mongrel motherfuckers have had it out with everybody ---including ourselves. And what for? So that any human being anywhere can believe that, no matter what, there is still a culture left in this world that will come and fuck you into a hole until you admit that a man's right to breathe and think freely is greater than any lousy religion or despotic state. And you know who it is, baby: it's the right and will of the American citizen. We got friends? You bet. And they'll get theirs as long as they know who their best friend is. He's the destroyer of tyrants and despots and towel-headed sacks of fascist shit. Every American soldier who dies in the service of this great cause of our time is a father or a mother to the next world. They are the righteous ancestors of a great peace and true justice. Fuck the cynic in his ass to his sternum. Fuck the hypocritical liberal turd who has no sense of justice anywhere in his heart and who lacks the moral vision and clarity to support our triumph over these medieval enemies of the modern world. Whose side are they really on? They can say all they want about how they are performing their patriotic duty by undermining the President when he is working hard to make Iraq a success, but they are seditious know-nothings. Don't they know how many thousands of Saddamites and Muslim garbagemen have yet to be slaughtered before our goal is met? Make just one more mistake, Abdul: Billy Yank and Johnny Reb are going to come flatten your fucking house.


Posted by Toby Petzold at 8:43 PM CST | Post Comment | View Comments (6) | Permalink
Updated: Sunday, 16 November 2003 12:46 AM CST

Thursday, 20 November 2003 - 2:25 PM CST

Name: deep_blade
Home Page: http://www.deepblade.net

That's funny, I could have sworn I heard Mr. Bush say a few months ago that he went into Iraq to get the weapons of mass destruction. Now, some kinda "bold and brave undertaking" to impose freedom by force is all he has left to talk about. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what kind of "freedom" you get after a big round of house flattening.

Deep Blade to President Bush: Could you please take out that evildoer in Uzbekistan, Islam Karimov, next? What? The United States sent almost $100 million to the Uzbek security services last year?? Mr. Bush, please explain! Neognostikos has a very refined sense of justice and he needs to know!!

Footnote: Karimov is about 2x badder than Saddam Hussein on the "murderous tyrant" scale. Even the State Department's own website lays that out. They boil political prisoners to death there. Check with Republicans Chris Smith and Ben Nighthorse Campbell to confirm if you think we liberal Democrat turds can't be believed because we are hypocritical know-nothings.

Friday, 21 November 2003 - 10:13 PM CST

Name: sluggo

Well, lest we forget, I don't care how many gooks, chinks, sandniggers, kikes, jigaboos, and spics suffer under the brutal lash and sparky electrodes of the man. Fuck 'em. Now, before you go thinking I'm a bad man, just listen. This sounds like a horrible sentiment, but we all share in it and we need to be grown up and fess up. To wit, if the wogs are treated with savage disregard and it makes it easier for me to buy shower sandals and plastic ashtrays, so be it. If king shit wants to treat his turds like...well..shit...then cool so long as the oil keeps a pumping cheap and all them companies make money and I get to drive around without a care in the world. Now, if that punk ass gets uppity and needs someone to drop boots on the motherfucker, we send inbred jed and coolio martinez and co. to go do it. Then, we talk shit about how we are liberating the oppressed and how noble we are....Bullshit
. GROW UP!!
And don't get me started at how everybody cares about our guys in uniform. Bullshit again. Don't wave a fucking flag, give him a fucking JOB when he comes back and help him get into school. LIES LIES LIES...
DAMN!

Saturday, 22 November 2003 - 7:54 PM CST

Name: Toby Petzold

How can you have such small regard for Inbred Jed and Coolio Martinez? They HAVE a job! It's called being a soldier. And if they want educational improvement, I'm sure the military will help them there, too. Your cynicism about the military is pretty amazing. You wouldn't trade your time "in" for anything else, would you? If so, hear it from one who never had the nerve to do what you did: THANK YOU FOR SERVING YOUR COUNTRY....BEEATCH!!!

Saturday, 22 November 2003 - 8:05 PM CST

Name: Toby Petzold

Deepblade, what difference does it make to you, as an anti-war liberal, whether we went in to impound Saddam's WMD or to effect regime change or both or neither? You weren't going to be satisifed in any circumstance, so why not be a grown-up and admit that casi belli are apt to evolve and EXPAND with the unfolding of events? Do you support the UN? If so, then don't you want its resolutions to mean something? Otherwise, why support it? At least Bush gave them some meaning. Prior to the war, did you support the official policy of the United States Government that there should be a change of regime in Iraq? Even your beloved Liar-in-Chief Clinton signed off on that one. Was it enough to just make paper declarations or was it better, as I say it was, to have grown some balls and make things happen? Some day you will realize (and be ashamed, I hope) that your resistance to this war of Iraqi liberation was nothing but a partisan position. How flaky! How superficial!

Monday, 24 November 2003 - 9:08 PM CST

Name: sluggo

Now, don't go thinking I'm not proud of being a veteran and I am certainly proud of my fellow servicemen. I do happen to notice, though, an awful lot of flag waving and other assorted @#%$! not limited to flags being displayed as promotional devices for superstores and goddamned fukkin' car lots...and I do happen to notice that people will get all uppity waving their little flags and talking about how WE are kicking THEIR asses and OUR boys are the finest heroes....but why do guys have to wait six months for treatment at the V.A. hospital? and why do these new guys have even less college money than me and my generation? and why are all the re-training budgets and and hiring incentives being cut? and it seems cheaper just to forget about them and their families and have another memorial day sale. I do happen to notice...and so do our guys now. Right now they have their own sacred oath to uphold and they will do it. too bad a lot of the people in power don't take their own oath so seriously.

Wednesday, 26 November 2003 - 3:06 PM CST

Name: Deep Blade
Home Page: http://www.deepblade.net

It makes a difference because the country was dragged into this mess on the basis of lies. Lives are needlessly being lost. The situation is so bad that the news media was not even allowed near the troops during Bush's appearance at Fort Carson. The degree of lying is palpable even in the military community, and the public can't be allowed to know it.

So, yes, your precious Bush lies too. And, yes, I believe in the theoretical underpinnings of the UN. YES, I think Saddam Hussein should have been removed from Kuwait in 1990 and removed from power today. The question is, how? I'll mainly set that issues aside for now, but think Nicolae Ceausescu. Then ask yourself why the Iraqis never have had the chance for such an outcome, in March-April 1991 or several other points in the last three decades. It's NOT because Saddam was invulnerable.

Given the power relationships in the world, e.g. the US acting as a God, international law does become a mockery. The corollary is that Iraqis are never going to be allowed to make their own history. You are WRONG if you think I supported Clinton with respect to Iraq. Clinton, along with his horrible minions Albright and Butler, set the table for the present disaster.

But the chefs for the current policies reach back to at least the 1970s. It was NOT a case of no-balls versus balls. U.S. leadership has cast aside every small squeak that was a counterpoint to war and suffering attempted by the UN, and the US Congress since the mid 1980s, including the famous seventeen UNSCRs that Saddam "violated" after 1990. There is a senior partner in these violations every step of the way.

I have opposed US policy in Iraq since 1975, when Henry Kissinger, along with the Shah & the Israelis, screwed the Kurds by first encouraging their independence movement in response to Iraq's nationalization of the IPC. Kissinger & company then let Saddam squash the Kurds, destroying several thousand of their villages. This period ushered Saddam into the top-dog position. Kurdish people who came to our community back then opened our eyes. Then when Iraq came off Reagan's terror list in 1983, we tried to inspire both our Republicans (eg Bill Cohen) and Democrats (eg George Mitchell) to do something about the increasingly horrible Iran-Iraq war. Deaf ears. There was a despicable US rejection of a UNSCR against Iraq's use of chemical weapons in 1986.

Later, as Iran-Contra raged publicly and Iraqgate proceeded quietly (punctuated by occasional US attacks on oil platforms and an airliner), news of the Anfal campaign and the Halabja massacre came to light.

"Flaky" and "superficial" Deep Blade SUPPORTED the Prevention of Genocide Act in response during Fall 1988. The United States Senate, in their finest hour, passed this unanimously in September 1988. Ooops, Reagan, Bush I, Colin Powell, and lots of House Republicans thought that rice sales were more important than a few thousand Kurds. No aid cutoff to Saddam could be achieved against such interference. Meanwhile, these same Republicans suggested we were "unpatriotic" for not supporting Saddam and his market for our farmers.

Next the Gulf War. Yep, I opposed war as a solution. I won't even try to explain my humble alternative positions to the superior thinker, Neognostikos. BUT, I DID SUPPORT, and I think both of us would agree on the George-H-W-Bush-James-Baker principle that a country should not wantonly invade another country. This is the principle these moral beacons used to assemble the international coalition that approved UNSCRs 660, 678, et al. Look 'em up. Seems like the current Bush has done to Iraq exactly what his daddy in these resolutions condemned Iraq itself for doing in 1990. (Remember, Saddam too thought he had good, justifiable reasons for invading Kuwait, but that was no excuse.)

My impression of Neognostikos is that he is a thinker and a good, engaging writer. While uninformed generally, he is still able to write the truth about the aims of our leaders with a lot more courage than the leaders themselves. That's why I like him. But, as is true about so many Bush loyalists, he has forgotten the meaning of the Beatitudes.

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