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Friday, 27 January 2006
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Now Playing: "Take Five" by the Dave Brubeck Quartet
There's many such examples of post-election madness to choose from, but Charles Johnson points us to this gem of Euro-degeneracy when it comes to dealing with the Car Swarm People. Jonathan Steele, writing in the Guardian Unlimited, says (emphasis added by Johnson):

Above all, Europe should not get hung up on the wrong issues, like armed resistance and the "war on terror". Murdering a Palestinian politician by a long-range attack that is bound also to kill innocent civilians is morally and legally no better than a suicide bomb on a bus. Hamas's refusal to give formal recognition of Israel's right to exist should also not be seen by Europe as an urgent problem. History and international politics do not march in tidy simultaneous steps. For decades Israel refused even to recognise the existence of the Palestinian people, just as Turkey did not recognise the Kurds. Until 15 years ago Palestinians had to be smuggled to international summits as part of Jordan’s delegation. It is less than that since the Israeli government accepted the goal of a Palestinian state.

Hamas may eventually disarm itself and recognise Israel. That will be the end of the process of establishing a just modus vivendi for Israelis and Palestinians in the Middle East. It cannot be the first step. Today’s priority is to accept that Palestinians have spoken freely. They deserve respect and support.
Respect? For overwhelmingly electing a terrorist organization of Jew-killers to lead their country?

What the fuck's the matter with you?


Posted by Toby Petzold at 11:20 PM CST | Post Comment | View Comments (2) | Permalink

Saturday, 28 January 2006 - 7:06 AM CST

Name: Rider

Respect?

Yes, and the new Hamas-majority government should negotiate with the rapacious Palestinian-killing Israelis to create genuine peace. Eventually they will. Both sides will negotiate despite what they say now. They have no other choice ultimately, though much blood may be shed in the interim.

What the rest of us should respect is that the Palestinians have created the first homegrown democracy in the Arab world and have chosen their own government despite Israeli occupation, an occupation in which the occupier fought against one of the major parties, arrested and killed candidates, keeping leaders in prison, set up roadblocks in the streets.

Bush does not like democracy when the elections don't turn out the way he wants. Aside from the fact that Hamas won, the other thing which Bush does not like is that the Palestinians have chosen to have a theocracy. He thinks when you install democratic governments in the ME the people will of course choose to be like us, and that what they all want is an S.U.V. and private schools and low taxes. Wrong. It turns out that these Muslims really are religious people and have not accepted the western tradition of secular government. In the ME, democracy = theocracy. Better get used to it, if you want "a forward strategy of freedom." The majority opposition parties throughout are Islamist fundamentalists. The "democracies" in the Muslim world are in reality authoritarian regimes.

The miltary wings of Palestinian organizations blow up Israeli civilians because the Palestinians are third world people living in grinding poverty (about like Haiti) occupied by one of the most formidable and technologically-advanced military powers in the world. It's asymmetric. They are the indige. They are fighting for their own soil and they will keep blowing up Israeli civilians until the last Palestinian is dead...unless both sides negotiate. They have to.

Saturday, 28 January 2006 - 7:20 AM CST

Name: Rider

By "democracies in the Muslim world," I meant the other democracies, e.g. in Egypt or Jordan or Syria or Lebanon. These are democracies in a very limited sense, like Soviet-style democracy used to be, often with one-party elections. The last election in Egypt is a good example of totalitarian-style democracy. The Palestinian democracy, on the other hand, is genuine and homegrown.

BTW, did you notice that Bush's KGB-like program of warrantless domestic spying (The Everybody Surveillance Program) would be illegal under the new Iraqi constitution?

Article 38:

The freedom of communication, and mail, telegraphic, electronic, and telephonic correspondence, and other correspondence shall be guaranteed and may not be monitored, wiretapped or disclosed except for legal and security necessity and by a judicial decision.

Now if we could just get some freedom and democracy here.

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