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Saturday, 4 October 2003
The Pope Is Down on Queers Again
Mood:  cheeky
The Pope has told the Archbishop of Canterbury that permitting openly gay clergy in the Anglican Communion will harm Christian unity. This is a slap at the Episcopalian Church's new Archbishop of New Hampshire, who is openly gay. (The Church of England and the Episcopalian Church are linked through the Anglican Communion, which, I guess, is something like the full faith and credit clause of the U.S. Constitution.)

Naturally, Il Papa is right, but that's only because he is Mr. Catholicism. Of course he wants to see Christian unity, but that's not where the Christian religion is at its best. It is far more successful when no one can get along and they all do their own thang.

Why's that? Well, because a lot of Christians want women to belong in the Church ---and at every level. The women who don't want women in the Church are just saying that because the Pope says so. Those are "good Catholics." Now, go ask a Protestant woman what she thinks. She's going to tell you that women do belong in the leadership positions of the Christian faith ---and what's the matter with you? What, half of the world's population is disqualified from leading a congregation or ministering to the wretched or witnessing to the unconverted because they're female and Paul said no to that? Foolishness. Protestants accept that women have more than one role to play in their faith.

Okay, so what's another reason to want to keep Christianity splintered and disunited (besides annoying the old pollock)? Because lots of Christians see nothing sinful or wrong with homosexuals. What are these leaders of Christianity thinking when they deny their gay brothers and sisters the right to worship alongside them and to participate like anyone else? It's retarded. You want to see the true ecumenical spirit? Stop denying women and gays their rights as Christians. Accept them as they are and get healthy. Christianity would have split into its various denominations a long time ago, anyway, but the Vatican should never have turned against marriage for its priests and it should never have turned a blind eye to its many gay clergy and it should never have waited so long to acknowledge the pedophilic problems in its own house.

Remember: ecclesiastical unity may be a political strength, but it is an enemy to human liberty. Theocracies have served good purposes in human history (e.g., Ancient Israel, Puritan Massachusetts, etc.), but they have also become fascist terror-states (e.g., the Taliban in Afghanistan and the Ayatollah's Iran).

Say no to the Pope and say yes to wives for priests and to women and queers in the pulpit.


Posted by Toby Petzold at 9:25 PM CDT | Post Comment | View Comments (2) | Permalink

Sunday, 5 October 2003 - 8:47 PM CDT

Name: sluggo

Hogwash. Only an outsider could say such things about the church. Women are important in the Catholic church. All you have to do is look at the saints and martyrs who were women or look at the women following religious vocations around the world. The problem is that non-Catholics don't understand the division of labor in the church and they don't seem to have a clue about the most basic aspects of the Catholic faith. Priests give up everything..and I mean every thing, that the rest of us take for granted. They take vows of celibacy, poverty and obedience thus forsaking family, possesions and freedom to take on the work of serving the people. The "pedophilic problems" have more to do with the church in the U.S. "going native" and seeing everything from the standpoint of public relations and litigation. In other places, priests would have been rooted out and de-frocked for these atrocities. Not too long ago, they would have faced the inquisition (the mid 1800's).
As for the absolutist stance of the church regarding homosexuals and other issues like state sanctioned executions, abortion, and birth control....well, we don't care what hair splitting goes on in other churches. We feel these things are wrong. It does not mean that we won't accept people who play a part in all these things. If that were the case, no one would be able to part of the church. It just means that the ideal existence of a person does not include these things and that we all strive, however feebly to live our lives accordingly. When you live in faith you struggle against your sins, even when you know you may not prevail.
Accepting the sin is evil, embracing the sinner is divine.
Anyone who thinks differently is just trying to make up the rules as they go along. But then, that's what being a protestant is all about isn't it?

Tuesday, 7 October 2003 - 3:24 AM CDT

Name: Toby Petzold

Thanks for the excellent feedback, Sluggo. You're right, of course: the "division of labor" thang is not too easy for Protestants (or, Post-Protestants like me) to understand. If women are such an important part of the Catholic Church (and I'm talking about women from this millennium, thanks), there's no way they can really be satisfied with such unfair limitations on their power.

This, too: nobody can justify the ban on priestly marriage. It wasn't always that way, you know, so it's not like the history of the Church can be used as precedent law on that. I don't know when it was, but it must have been a long time before Luther that priests COULD marry.

One last thing: the Pope himself is one of the biggest critics of the American Church. It was HE who repeatedly suggested that buggering little boys was an American phenomenon. As though queer priests with a taste for the other white meat is strictly a New World issue.

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