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Saturday, 24 September 2005
I See Better Turnouts When I Go to the Bathroom
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I'm watching these wankers at the anti-war rally in D.C. on C-SPAN ---and I'm laughing. On and immediately around the stage? About fifty people. And that's being very generous.

You know why there is no anti-war movement? You know why these burnt-out hippies can't persuade America that this is Viet Nam all over again?

Because the men and women who fight for our country are our best and bravest and they fight of their own volition. This isn't Lyndon Johnson clearing out the ghettoes and barrios of his Great Society, you know. These kids who show up to the protests in their bandanas and Che Guevara T-shirts are not only in no danger of any draft, but the United States military probably wouldn't take them, anyway. Better men and women than they could ever hope to be have taken on the responsibility of fighting in our name ---and these bums want to undermine that because it's fashionable?

The War for Iraq is a complicated and ambitious undertaking that hasn't yet yielded what it can. Is the American public down on it right now? Yep. But that's bound to change. Our fighting forces are making a difference in a crucial part of the world. These protesters don't understand that. They just want to re-enact some glorious anti-war past that they've seen in documentaries. It's truly pathetic.


Posted by Toby Petzold at 2:02 PM CDT | Post Comment | View Comments (7) | Permalink

Sunday, 25 September 2005 - 1:57 PM CDT

Name: Rider

Wash. Post:

"D.C. Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey, who walked the march route, said the protesters achieved the goal of 100,000 and probably exceeded it. Asked whether at least 150,000 showed up, the chief said, "That's as good a guess as any."

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"More than 200 counter-demonstrators set up outside the FBI building on Pennsylvania Avenue..."

Sunday, 25 September 2005 - 2:19 PM CDT

Name: TP

The last quote I read from Ramsey was that he thought the organizers had "probably" hit their goal of 100K.

Anyway, that dumbass isn't supposed to be giving his opinion on crowd sizes in D.C., anyway.

Sunday, 25 September 2005 - 6:06 PM CDT

Name: Rider

Why not? Seems exactly the kind of thing the Chief of Police should know.

Anyway, I don't know why you take comfort in the fact that there were "only" 100-150K people there. These are "only" the get-out-now people. However, fully 60% of the country thinks the war was folly, the casus belli were bogus, and that the preznit is incompetent and not to be trusted with making major decisions.

Monday, 26 September 2005 - 8:49 AM CDT

Name: Rider

"Because the men and women who fight for our country are our best and bravest and they fight of their own volition."

Should we have an Army recruiter contact you, Toby? You sound like you are itching to make a difference in that crucial part of the world. Go for it. Cowboy up. Hoo-ah!

Monday, 26 September 2005 - 4:49 PM CDT

Name: TP

As far as I know, the Park Service hasn't given out crowd estimates since the Million Man March on account of politics.

But I haven't seen anything yet that would make me believe that there were a 100K protesters in D.C. I'll stand corrected, but so far? No way.

Monday, 26 September 2005 - 4:51 PM CDT

Name: TP

Sorry. I've stopped explaining to anti-war kooks why this particular "argument" is a steaming pile of shit. But feel free to search for my previous attempts.

Monday, 26 September 2005 - 9:04 PM CDT

Name: Rider

You really have a scatological fixation. Can you say anything without using the s-word, TP?

I take it this means you are not enlisting, then. As arguments go, it may be no more than an ad populum appeal and so a kind of fallacy. In practical terms, however, it means that you don't have much credibility in speaking on this "ad populum," because you have no existential stake in it, as compared to the parents who are demonstrating. (BTW, the last time I inquired about enlisting, the recruiter thanked me and told me I was too old).

You be the judge:

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050924/i/r1123866861.jpg?

By contrast, here's a group that could fit in your bathroom:

"On Sunday, a rally supporting the war drew about 500 people." -- AP

"About 400 people gathered near a stage on an eastern segment of the mall..." -- AP

"Organizers of yesterday's demonstration acknowledged that their rally would be much smaller than the anti-war protest, but had hoped that as many as 20,000 people would turn out." -- AP

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