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The anti-war Left is actually more belligerent than the average conservative might believe. They have lots of ideas and only wish that the Muddlehead from Midland would take a page from their war plans. You see, we should never have gone into Iraq because North Korea is the greater threat. North Korea has the nuke and has delivery systems and likes to sell stuff they shouldn't to other nations that also hate us. Okay. So, what's the game plan? How do you people recommend we go about disarming Kim Jong-Il? Did you want to see the thousands of American dead all at once or spread out over a week or so? Did you want Seoul flattened at the outset with nuclear bombs or ravaged conventionally over several days? Because, when it happens, it's going to be a hideous moment in the history of warfare unless we have our ways of stopping the chain reaction from inside the North. We have a lot of young American soldiers just across the DMZ from a very martially and tyrannically oriented horde of communist Koreans: it will take time to make things safer for them in the event of hostilities. And, right now, they are still very much in harm's way.

So, was that the logical lynchpin of your argument? That we should have gone to war with North Korea before Iraq because the former was the bigger threat? Oh, I see! War wasn't necessary in either case. Right. The North Koreans, as New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson likes to remind us, aren't actually as insane and bloodthirsty as they seem: all those wall-eyed threats of nuclear destruction are just their way of saying they want bilateral discussions with Uncle Sam. Diplomacy will always save the day, sing the hippy-dippy crowd of shitforbrains. Well, I still don't see any progress on that score. They're still sitting there, still starving their people, still beefing up their military and their nuclear arms program, still threatening to violently end the ceasefire that ended the Korean War a half-century ago. No sense of their being amenable to a nice chat about things, you know?

So, I want the Leftists in the front ranks this time, fighting the war we really could've gotten behind. They know so much better how to end the threats against our country. Let them make (and leave) their marks on the Korean peninsula.


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Friday, 3 October 2003 - 7:54 PM CDT

Name: ZIGGY RHODES
Home Page: http://www.bitterlad.com

THE WAR ON TERROR????????
Rumsfeld's Plan to Provoke Terrorists
Source:
CounterPunch (www.counterpunch.org/floyd101.html)
Title: "Into the Dark"
Author: Chris Floyd
Evaluator: Catherine Nelson Ph.D., Meri Storino Ph.D.
Student Researcher: Jennifer Scanlan

Corporate Media Coverage:
Los Angeles Times, October 27, 2002, "The Secret War", by William Arkin

According to a classified document, "Special Operations and Joint Forces in Countering Terrorism" prepared for Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld by his Defense Science Board, a new organization has been created to thwart potential terrorist attacks on the United States. This counter-terror operations group? the "Proactive Preemptive Operations Group" (P2OG) will require 100 people and at least $100 million a year. The team of covert counter-intelligence agents will be responsible for secret missions designed to target terrorist leaders. The secret missions are designed to "stimulate reactions" among terrorist groups, provoking them into committing violent acts which would then expose them to "counterattack" by U.S. forces.

This means that the United States government is planning to use secret military operations in order to provoke murderous terrorist attacks on innocent people. In a strange twist of logic, it seems the plan is to somehow combat terrorism by causing it. According to the report, other strategies include stealing money from terrorist cells or tricking them with fake communications. The Defense Department already maintains a secretive counter-terror operations group known as Delta Force that is called in when a crisis happens.

Exactly what type of actions would be required to "stimulate reactions" by terrorist groups has yet to be revealed. When asked questions regarding what measures would be taken, Pentagon sources responded with, "Their sovereignty will be at risk."

The current P2OG program is not entirely new to the United States. One similar program was Operation Northwoods. In 1963, America's top military brass presented a plan to President John Kennedy that called for a fake terrorist campaign ? complete with bombings, hijackings, plane crashes and dead Americans ? to provide "justification" for an invasion of Cuba, a Mafia/corporate fiefdom which had recently been lost to Castro. Kennedy rejected the plan, and was killed a few months later. Now Rumsfeld has resurrected Northwoods, but on a far grander scale, with resources at his disposal undreamed of by his predecessors, and no counterbalancing global rival to restrain him.

Former president Nixon wanted such a group, but congress denied it; President Reagan tried to use the National Security Council instead, but ran into trouble with the Iran-Contra affair. Now, President Bush may finally realize the dream.

UPDATE BY CHRIS FLOYD

Appropriately enough for a story about the deepest possible covert operation ? penetrating terrorist cells and provoking them into action ? the saga of the Pentagon's "Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group" (P2OG) went straight back into the dark after strutting its brief hour upon the stage. There has been no new information about the group since it was first mentioned nationally in the Los Angeles Times as part of a larger story on Pentagon plans for new "secret armies." Was it funded? Is it operational? Has it "flushed out" any terrorists lately by goading them into "action"? Are any of the post-Iraq War spate of terrorist atrocities linked to P2OG activities? We don't know. And with Donald Rumsfeld's openly avowed penchant for "strategic misinformation," how will we ever know? Certainly the mainstream press has done nothing to enlighten us. Although the CounterPunch article (which appeared simultaneously in The Moscow Times) provoked a lively response in the "alternative" media (print, web and radio), there has not been a single subsequent mention of the group in the U.S. national press. In the UK, John Pilger has raised warning flags about P2OG in The New Statesman and the Daily Mirror, while The Ecologist also ran a version of the CounterPunch article. The rest is silence. At first glance, this decided lack of interest might seem a curious reaction, given the American media's insatiable?and profitable?obsession with terrorism. But the media's equally intense, and equally profitable, abhorrence of moral ambiguity?especially when it involves possible American complicity in mayhem and murder?makes the silence easier to understand.

Sunday, 5 October 2003 - 9:00 PM CDT

Name: sluggo

Let's not forget that we've seen this before run by the dems in the 60's. You know, the Gulf of Tonkin incident etc. Macnamara recently confessed in his book that reports were fabricated and the leadership of both parties were misled into thinking the Viet Nam war was necessary and somehow winnable as a "police action" whatever the fuck that was. Fifty some odd thousand casualties later, we still didn't save the Vietnamese from communism except for the ones who showed up and keep pouring in to this day.

Nobody seems outraged that bunches of Americans got killed for nothing but a bluff and a power play. It didn't mean a thing to the russians or the chinese and it did not stop anything from happening.

Brown and Root got rich, just like they're doing now.
Working class and poor folks got dead kids out of the deal.
just like now.

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